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-<docinfo_head> +====== 'When you know for yourselves...': The Authenticity of the Pali Suttas ====== 
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-Title: &lsquo;When you know for yourselves...&rsquo;: The Authenticity of the Pali Suttas+
  
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 <div #h_docauthor>Thanissaro Bhikkhu</div> <div #h_docauthor>Thanissaro Bhikkhu</div>
  
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 <div #h_altformat>Alternate format: {{en:img:book.gif}} A printed copy is included in the book //[[index#karmaquestions|The Karma of Questions]]//.</div> <div #h_altformat>Alternate format: {{en:img:book.gif}} A printed copy is included in the book //[[index#karmaquestions|The Karma of Questions]]//.</div>
  
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   * practice in accordance with the Dhamma.   * practice in accordance with the Dhamma.
  
-<p>Passages from the suttas dealing with each of these factors help show how the two sources of skill — the counsel of the wise and the lessons learned by observing the results of your own actions — can be properly balanced and integrated so as to ascertain what the true Dhamma is. And because listening to the true Dhamma now includes reading the true Dhamma, a knowledge of these factors and their interrelationships gives guidance in how to read the suttas. In particular, these factors show how the suttas themselves say they should be read, and what other actions provide the skillful context for getting the most benefit from reading them.+Passages from the suttas dealing with each of these factors help show how the two sources of skill — the counsel of the wise and the lessons learned by observing the results of your own actions — can be properly balanced and integrated so as to ascertain what the true Dhamma is. And because listening to the true Dhamma now includes reading the true Dhamma, a knowledge of these factors and their interrelationships gives guidance in how to read the suttas. In particular, these factors show how the suttas themselves say they should be read, and what other actions provide the skillful context for getting the most benefit from reading them.
  
 As you explore the explanations of these factors, you find that their presentation as a short list is deceptively simple, inasmuch as each factor contains elements of the other factors as well. For instance, associating with people of integrity is of great help in practicing the Dhamma, but for a person to recognize people of genuine integrity requires that he or she have some prior experience in practicing the Dhamma. Thus, although the form of the list suggests a simple linear progression, the individual factors of the list are interrelated in complex ways. What this means in practice is that the process of ascertaining the Dhamma is a complex one, requiring sensitivity and discernment in balancing and integrating the factors in an appropriate way. As you explore the explanations of these factors, you find that their presentation as a short list is deceptively simple, inasmuch as each factor contains elements of the other factors as well. For instance, associating with people of integrity is of great help in practicing the Dhamma, but for a person to recognize people of genuine integrity requires that he or she have some prior experience in practicing the Dhamma. Thus, although the form of the list suggests a simple linear progression, the individual factors of the list are interrelated in complex ways. What this means in practice is that the process of ascertaining the Dhamma is a complex one, requiring sensitivity and discernment in balancing and integrating the factors in an appropriate way.
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 "How amazing, lord! How awesome! How well that was put by the Blessed One!... These men, lord, are my spies, my scouts, returning after going out through the countryside. They go out first, and then I go. Now, when they have scrubbed off the dirt and mud, are well-bathed and well-perfumed, have trimmed their hair and beards, and have put on white clothes, they will go about endowed and provided with the five strings of sensuality." "How amazing, lord! How awesome! How well that was put by the Blessed One!... These men, lord, are my spies, my scouts, returning after going out through the countryside. They go out first, and then I go. Now, when they have scrubbed off the dirt and mud, are well-bathed and well-perfumed, have trimmed their hair and beards, and have put on white clothes, they will go about endowed and provided with the five strings of sensuality."
-<cite> [[en:tipitaka:sut:kn:ud:ud.6.02.than|Ud 6.2]]</cite></blockquote>+<cite> [[:en:tipitaka:sut:kn:uda:uda.6.02.than|Ud 6.2]]</cite></blockquote>
  
 [[en:tipitaka:sut:an:an04:an04.192.than|AN 4.192]] expands on these points, indicating that the ability to recognize a person of integrity requires you to have a strong sense of integrity yourself. In fact, [[en:tipitaka:sut:mn:mn.110.than|MN 110]] insists that you must //be// a person of integrity in your actions, views, and friendships if you are to recognize integrity in another. [[en:tipitaka:sut:an:an04:an04.192.than|AN 4.192]] expands on these points, indicating that the ability to recognize a person of integrity requires you to have a strong sense of integrity yourself. In fact, [[en:tipitaka:sut:mn:mn.110.than|MN 110]] insists that you must //be// a person of integrity in your actions, views, and friendships if you are to recognize integrity in another.
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-These are audacious claims, and they obviously require an approach more audacious than the historical method to test them. As the suttas indicate, nothing less than genuine integrity of character, developed through careful training and practice, will suffice. Given that "dhamma" means both teaching and quality of mind, it stands to reason that truth of character is needed to measure the truth of the teaching. Only true people can know the truth of the suttas' claims. This may seem an exclusionary or elitist thing to say, but actually it's not. The sort of education needed to master the historical method isn't open to everyone, but integrity is — if you want to develop it. The suttas say that the best things in life are available to those who are true. The only question is whether you're true enough to want to know if they're right.</p>+These are audacious claims, and they obviously require an approach more audacious than the historical method to test them. As the suttas indicate, nothing less than genuine integrity of character, developed through careful training and practice, will suffice. Given that "dhamma" means both teaching and quality of mind, it stands to reason that truth of character is needed to measure the truth of the teaching. Only true people can know the truth of the suttas' claims. This may seem an exclusionary or elitist thing to say, but actually it's not. The sort of education needed to master the historical method isn't open to everyone, but integrity is — if you want to develop it. The suttas say that the best things in life are available to those who are true. The only question is whether you're true enough to want to know if they're right.
  
-<p class='seeAlso'> +<span seealso>See also: [[:en:lib:study:index#into_the_stream|"Stream-entry" (Study Guides)]]</span>
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-<div #f_citation>**How to cite this document** (one suggested style): "&lsquo;When you know for yourselves...&rsquo;: The Authenticity of the Pali Suttas", by  Thanissaro Bhikkhu. //Access to Insight//, 22 April 2012, [[http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/authenticity.html|http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/authenticity.html]] . Retrieved on 10 September 2012 (Offline Edition 2012.09.10.14), republished by //Zugang zur Einsicht// on  +<div #f_citation>**How to cite this document** (one suggested style): "'When you know for yourselves...': The Authenticity of the Pali Suttas", by  Thanissaro Bhikkhu. //Access to Insight//, 22 April 2012, [[http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/authenticity.html|http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/authenticity.html]] . Retrieved on 10 September 2012 (Offline Edition 2012.09.10.14), republished by //Zugang zur Einsicht// on  
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